Now I will admit to having out of date information. According to the original Role Playing Game, Klingons were stronger than humans and vulcans, but it seems that canon didn’t keep that idea. Vulcans have been shown, time and again, to be consistently stronger than humans AND Klingons, while Klingons are about 50% stronger on average, vulcans are at least twice as strong as that, on average.

That said, Klingons real strength lies in the fact that they are born, bred, raised and live as warriors, much like the Spartans. And I think we would all take 300 Spartans… I mean Klingons… over 10,000 Persi… I mean Stormtroopers. Let’s not forget, Stormtroopers aren’t clones anymore. They don’t have redundant organs either

The Star Wars damage outputs that Perion are quoting are bullshit. Perion is probably accurately quoting a Star Wars technical readout, but their still bullshit. Let’s put those numbers into perspective and then look at how they stack up to what we see happening on screen in the films.

A gigaton is 1000 megatons. So 200,000 megatons is 200 gigatons. This is the number quoted by Perion for the damage output of a light turbo laser.

La Garita Caldera was created by a 240 gigaton volcanic eruption, and created enough ejected material to fill lake michigan. The Chicxulub Impact, the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, was only 50 times more powerful than that eruption.

While whatever technical manual you pulled 200,000 megatons out of is probably accurately quoted, that kind of damage output is just not supported by what we see Imperial Ships actually being capable of on screen in the films.

How long would it take an Imperial 2 Class Star Destroyer to fire 50 rounds at the surface of a planet? How long could it keep up such a bombardment? What if it had, say 999 friends? Would they be able to totally blow away a planet? I think, yes, they could. And quickly.

Why then does Han Solo say that Alderaan couldn’t have been destroyed because “it would take 1000 ships with more firepower than…?”

What they hell would the Empire need a Death Star for, if a single ship of the line could put out enough damage in SECONDS to utterly darken the sky and cause mass extinction events, to say nothing of a prolonged bombardment by multiple ships?

The simple answer is that Star Wars vessels do not actually put out as much damage as you are quoting.

Now, as to what that would mean for the larger question of who would win, I have very little opinion.

That said, 24 megatons for the yield on a photon torpedo is a gross underestimation. According to the Technical Manual, photon torpedoes use a controlled explosion of matter and anti-matter (1.5kg of each). However, since those would need to be stored in a liquid or semi-solid state, they would be incredibly dense for their weight. The total yield for such an explosion COULD be astronomical, measures in GIGAtons. That’s REAL physics, too.

I think you may be confusing the fictional “isoton” for “megaton”.

As for Star Wars projectile weapons, they are apparently nuclear or thermonuclear in design, and while the EMP might have an effect on the shields, the explosions likely would not. Capital ship warheads are slow and could easily be shot down.

As for the energy weapon, I have said and will always say that SW energy outputs are ridiculous. Can you imagine the amount of shielding it would take top control the radiation from a reactor that puts out as much power as a star? Not to mention the strength of the materials that would be needed to channel that power into weapons fire? And the weapons work on entirely different concepts.

Besides, if we start adding in all the “special” powers and races, the Jedi/Sith would win.

It’s all about perception and how you stack the deck really. I can create scenarios where one side or the other would win every time, so please, try to stick with the scenario I made here.

Oh, and Klingons > Stromtroopers. Never forget, Klingons are as strong as wookies and have a society built around warfare and tactics. They also have no qualms about ramming their ships into the enemy. They have redundant organs and are highly resistant to physical damage. All stormtroopers are human, perfect or not. It would be Spartans versus Persians all over again.

It only seems that way because Star Wars jamming is so sophisticated.

“The shields for the star wars ships can be penetrated by small ships”

uh, no, In Episode III Anakin an Obi-Wan had to take out the hangar bay shields of the Invisible hand in order to land, which was only possible because the main shields were already down before they launched.

“so there little reason to believe transporters couldnt be used to attach small bombs to the outer hull of the enemy ships,”

Again, no, the Falcon was actually outside the shields when it was attatched to the hull, much like how if you take a magnet, a sheet of thick plastic, and a metal sheet. the Magnet will stick to the plastic because the metal sheet is behind it. In this case, the Magnet is the falcon, the plastic is the shield, and the metal sheet is the hull.

“transporters, which could transpo”

I’m gonna stop you right here, Transporters A) don’t work through shields, dense materials, or interference, all of which are present on Star Destroyers and B) Transporters can only be used to beam a dozen or so people every few minutes.
C) They have to drop their OWN shields in order to even attempt this, though since Imperial weapons will vapourize their ships regardless of shields I guess there’s no point in even keeping them up.

Attempting to board a Star Destroyer takes more effort than what trek is used to in taking over an entire planet.

“The klingons would make great sold”

again, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4fp2VJ9nqc

great soldiers indeed…

“I think the shields of the star trek ships are vastly superior,”

you would be mistaken, photon torpedoes are worth 24 megatons each, and it takes 8 of them to bring down the shields of even their own flagship vessel.

Light Turbolasers are worth 200,000 megatons each, and it takes thousands of shots to bring down the shields of a vessel that’s not even designed for heavy combat.

“the sensors of the star trek ships could provide far more detailed tactical anamysis of the enemy ships,”

Not when their viewscreens are nothing but static the moment they get too close and even from far away cannot get any reading on the Imperial vessels, to the point where they can’t even tell if their shields are up or not.

“I think the technology would pull out the win”

you would be right, but the advanced tech is in the hands of the Empire, not the Federation.

“I havnt even mentioned the borg”

not really worth mentioning to be honest, they would be even less of a threat than the Federation to be perfectly honest. They’re not even as smart as the federation and they are hated by everyone in the galaxy.

“rip the larger ships to pieces in no time.”

sorry, but the Borg Cubes would be one shot killed by the turbolasers just like everyone else. incoherent energy patterns with no set frequency to adapt to, plus being 8,000x more powerful than photon torpedoes on even the Medium weapons? we’ve seen what happens when the Borg get hit with phasers they haven’t adapted to, a torpedo would blow them up.

“then swarm the death stars in the same manner.”

again, Surface turbolasers would annihilate them before they got within transporter range, and I’m not even going to bother with the transporter thing since I already pointed out how that won’t work.

“adapting to everything thats thrown at them, ”

Borg adaptation isn’t a super power, we have seen what they can or cannot adapt to, bullets, kinetic impacts, weapons who’s frequencies they haven’t matched. Blasters are in the same boat as turbolasers, each one is effectively an I-Mod.

“not to mention that little ship from the next generation “tinman” episode, which destroyed a romulan warbird with a single pulse,”

Which an Imperial Star Destroyer could do with a single Ion cannon shot, not terribly impressive and there’s no way to contact it again even if it was.

“or the alien probe from star trek 4, which rendered all ships near it completely powerless”

Again, compared to the Empire is not impressive, and again there’s no way to contact it even if it was.

“or the scimitar battle ship from nemesis, imagine the damage that thing could do, with completely undetectable cloaking devices (can also fire while cloaked), an arsenal of weapons, and virtually impregnable shields.”

GCT sensors would be able to detect it, if it has mass it can be found. The Enterprise E was able to get through it’s shields with a little help from the Valdore and that other vessel, a Star Destroyer would have zero trouble with it and it’s weapons are a non-issue.

“then theres the cardasians, dominion war parties, etc.”

All of which are too primitive and weak to be of any threat.

“also, the changelings race could infiltrate the star wars chain of command and do countless things to disrupt the heirarchy.”

except anyone force sensitive would weed them out, as well as the fact that Hyperdrive allows the Empire to set up their command and control out of range of any warp capable craft. while communicating in real time anywhere in the galaxy using Hyperwave tranceivers, which are beyond the scope of any other race in the galaxy.

“in the end, i cant logically agree to anything but star trek coming out on top.”

Now that I’ve shown you what they would actually be up against, you cannot logically continue that belief.

“i just cant see the sheer numbers of star wars ships getting past the tactics and technology of the star trek enemies.”

you don’t have to, the Star Wars ships are more advanced than you may have realized.

For one thing, The Power of the Warp core is irrelevant to Phaser power. DS9, a station with no warp core and only fusion generators, has greater firepower and shielding than any Federation ship. Also we know that Photon torpedoes are stronger than phaser fire, and they are only worth 24 megatons each.

Also just because Star Wars has enormous power generation capabilities does NOT mean they are overestimations, it just means they have enormous power generation capabilities. End of story.

There ARE fighters in Star Trek, Federation Peregrines, Romulan Scorpions, and the like. They move fast enough to evade weapon locks. Also there ARE capital style ships, such as the Dominion Battleship and Romulan craft.

you massively underestimate TIE Fighters, which would be no small feat to take on, their ECM and high speed and maneuverability would make them next to impossible to hit. Meanwhile their torpedoes and missiles (Yes It’s far from unheard of for TIEs to be equipped with ordnance) would be 8x more powerful than Photon torpedoes.

Rotating frequencies would have no effect on the Ion cannons, since Imperial weapons are not phase coherent.

Wide beam phaser shots have massive weaknesses in range and rapidly dilutes the power of the shot as it’s spread over the surface area. They are useless for anything other than stun or maybe destroy a city block at best.

A handfull of Stormtroopers would decimate a Federation/Klingon/Romulan ship, they can walk through forcefields (Star Wars: complete Visual Dictionary) blow through blast doors made out of neutronium (the standard shipbuilding material in Star Wars), Their blasters would tear through the Redshirts with ease.

Klingons are a bad joke in ground combat, here’s a tip. Never bring a clumsy hunk of metal to a blaster fight. Star Wars ships are Also equipped with sensors that track intruders, as we saw in Episode III on the Invisible hand.

The Star Destroyers would have no trouble hitting the Klingon, Romulan and Federation ships, watch these battles for proof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4fp2VJ9nqc

So much for federation targeting, speed or Klingon combat prowess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of3CmPN781A

More misses and slow moving ships, also Federation fighters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XwQKWUkrLg

Even more misses and slow moving ships.

A single turbolaser shot carries the firepower of 8,000 photon torpedoes, it wouldn’t take a few shots to take out a Klingon, Federation or whatever ship. It would only take one to take out several. Meanwhile they would run out of torpedoes and burn out their Phasers long before the Imperial shields even startet to flinch.

3 Star Destroyers once rammed the Executor full force while coming out of hyperspace, the Executor took ZERO damage.

Gravitational distortions DO stop Warp Travel, as seen in DS9 “Once More Unto the Breach”

Also you forgot to take into consideration the fact that Hyperdrive is ludicrously fast, making Slipstream look like impulse. The Empire could easily take out all factions simultaniously in a single, sweeping attack. Sending ships and fleets to all worlds controlled by the Federation, Romulans and Klingons all at once, making their alliance moot.

Imperial ECM causes massive spacial and subspace distortions, transporters would be useless. Warp core explosions in their paths wouldn’t even phase them, their shields are more than capable of handling it.

Also how the hell is the Imperial fleet cut off from anything?

Now, if we put entire universe against entire universe, Trek wins because they have an omnipotent character in “Q”. Of course, getting any member of the Continuum to actually participate is another challenge entirely.

I also assumed a single massive engagement. In a long term conflict, again things would be different in a long term affair, especially if you pit universe against universe. That makes it too complicated.

So, I stand by my original assessment, which had like forces against like forces. I only grouped the Trek side together because of the much smaller population of the Trek universe by comparison.